Hydrogen Generation and Deturium

[Tracy]

Hello all.
have been doing alot of research into production of hydrogen gas
through electrolisis, its not really as simple as it seems.
the first problem is increasing the conductivity of the water.
ordinary salt will work, But also produces Chlorine. Akali like KOH
or NaOH are the best but when current is applied most metals quickly
plate away contaminating the electrolite. So far Stainless Steel mesh
has worked well.
I have posted some pics at my site for those who are interested at:

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/bestopener.jpg

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/goodsideview.jpg

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/Top1.jpg

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/powersupply.jpg

Eventually the whole processes will be powered by a wind driven
generator, the hydrogen is a storage medium.
I would also like to be able to seperate the hydrogen, Duterium, and
tritium. for use as radioactive sources, and to build a Farnsworth
fusor:

http://www.fusor.net/

Does any one know how to seperate Hydrogen from duturium, I understand that electrolisis only releases H2 and no D2.
Here are some updated Pics.

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/ucell.jpg

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/junctdetails.jpg


Best To all.
Tracy

[Tracy]

Hello all.
have been doing alot of research into production of hydrogen gas
through electrolisis, its not really as simple as it seems.
the first problem is increasing the conductivity of the water.
ordinary salt will work, But also produces Chlorine. Akali like KOH
or NaOH are the best but when current is applied most metals quickly
plate away contaminating the electrolite. So far Stainless Steel mesh
has worked well.
I have posted some pics at my site for those who are interested at:

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/bestopener.jpg

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/goodsideview.jpg

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/Top1.jpg

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/powersupply.jpg

Eventually the whole processes will be powered by a wind driven
generator, the hydrogen is a storage medium.
I would also like to be able to seperate the hydrogen, Duterium, and
tritium. for use as radioactive sources, and to build a Farnsworth
fusor:

http://www.fusor.net/

Does any one know how to seperate Hydrogen from duturium, I understand that electrolisis only releases H2 and no D2.
Here are some updated Pics.

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/ucell.jpg

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/junctdetails.jpg


Best To all.
Tracy

[Tracy]

Hello all.
have been doing alot of research into production of hydrogen gas
through electrolisis, its not really as simple as it seems.
the first problem is increasing the conductivity of the water.
ordinary salt will work, But also produces Chlorine. Akali like KOH
or NaOH are the best but when current is applied most metals quickly
plate away contaminating the electrolite. So far Stainless Steel mesh
has worked well.
I have posted some pics at my site for those who are interested at:

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/bestopener.jpg

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/goodsideview.jpg

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/Top1.jpg

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/powersupply.jpg

Eventually the whole processes will be powered by a wind driven
generator, the hydrogen is a storage medium.
I would also like to be able to seperate the hydrogen, Duterium, and
tritium. for use as radioactive sources, and to build a Farnsworth
fusor:

http://www.fusor.net/

Does any one know how to seperate Hydrogen from duturium, I understand that electrolisis only releases H2 and no D2.
Here are some updated Pics.

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/ucell.jpg

http://www.albert-cordova.com/H2/junctdetails.jpg


Best To all.
Tracy

[Fernanda]

Tracy...
I\'m not sure that you understand that this website is meant for Physics Students currently studying Physics. It seems to me that this fusor you are making is nothing more than a home grown science project.
That being the case, this is certainly not the site to discuss this matter. I would suggest you google \"fusor\" and find other other sites more closely related to your interest.

[Fernanda]

Tracy...
I\'m not sure that you understand that this website is meant for Physics Students currently studying Physics. It seems to me that this fusor you are making is nothing more than a home grown science project.
That being the case, this is certainly not the site to discuss this matter. I would suggest you google \"fusor\" and find other other sites more closely related to your interest.

[Fernanda]

Tracy...
I\'m not sure that you understand that this website is meant for Physics Students currently studying Physics. It seems to me that this fusor you are making is nothing more than a home grown science project.
That being the case, this is certainly not the site to discuss this matter. I would suggest you google \"fusor\" and find other other sites more closely related to your interest.

[Tracy]

If you have a nuetron detector you will Certanily need some Nuetrons to see if it is working. Is that not physics. the fusor is just a nuetron generator. and I would challange any student to make one.


I am not sure if seperating Hydrogen from Dueturium is physics or chemistry.
I suspect both.
I am sorry but I do not feel I am to far away from the topic at had.
Tracy

[Tracy]

If you have a nuetron detector you will Certanily need some Nuetrons to see if it is working. Is that not physics. the fusor is just a nuetron generator. and I would challange any student to make one.


I am not sure if seperating Hydrogen from Dueturium is physics or chemistry.
I suspect both.
I am sorry but I do not feel I am to far away from the topic at had.
Tracy

[Tracy]

If you have a nuetron detector you will Certanily need some Nuetrons to see if it is working. Is that not physics. the fusor is just a nuetron generator. and I would challange any student to make one.


I am not sure if seperating Hydrogen from Dueturium is physics or chemistry.
I suspect both.
I am sorry but I do not feel I am to far away from the topic at had.
Tracy

[Tracy]

:D Just a few links for the science Buffs.

Well now the Cats out of the bag.

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Its not that hard to build. But I am also, a stusent of the fusor.
Tracy

[Tracy]

:D Just a few links for the science Buffs.

Well now the Cats out of the bag.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557331635&category=73 21
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,510054502,00.html

Its not that hard to build. But I am also, a stusent of the fusor.
Tracy

What do you think of flash electrolisis?

I\'m thinking lightning.

A lightning rod to a large gauge copper wiring to large carbon bars mouted in a plastic farm tank . One anode and one cathode. Mounted in a divided plastic tank mostly filled with water.

Low pressure containment everywhere. All system parts designed to give if something bad happens. Because we are talking about lightning and hydrogen in the same breath here.

Why carbon? It’s cheap and conductive. The same reason it’s used in batteries.

The voltage would be much greater, so I’m thinking maybe we don’t need an electrolyte.

Just two carbon bars four feet long with a large parallel facing surface area(s) along the whole length. A gas dividing separator between the bars. Would be nice if you could turn the bars for consistent wear.

Could it be done?

There’s some AC in lightning so we probably have to rectify the current. Or watch our products burn underwater with little gain for us on the bars. If we throw some capacitance and inductance into the rectifier circuit, we can ring it like a bell. That should increase the flash duration for electrolysis.

You think it would work?

[kwja0301]

What kind of a crazy idea is this?
<p>Don\'t try it unless you wan\'t to die.
<p>If you attempt to discharge High energy electricity from a lightening bolt into water the water will explode. This occurs because water has a point of electirical break down or the point at which it will start to conduct electricity. If you discharge a high energy current into water you will rapidly break the waters hydrogen bonds which are electrostatic bonds that bond H2O molecules together and hence account for H2O\'s cohesive properties. The rapid destruction of these bonds will create a massive shockwave throughout the container of water and cause the water within it to attomize with an explosive force.
<p> I am currently designing a high energy capacitor bank to carry out this type of reaction. The cap bank will store and release approximataly 10,125 Joules of electrical energy within a few microseconds. The capacitor bank is made by wiring 25 capacitors in parrallel. These capacitors are rated at 450VDC with a capacitance of 4000mfd. Keep in mind that this bank could blow your hands off if you short your hands across it. The energy that is released from this device is only a small fraction of the enery produced in a lightening bolt. Do you really want to mess around with lightening?. If you want to produce large ammounts of hydrogen gas just open up a lithium battery and pull the lithium foil out it will react with water to produce H2. Sodium Hydroxide (lye) can be mixed with water- this solution will eat away at aluminum and produce H2, Hydrochloric or muratic acid can also be used to make H2, Calcium hydride can be mixed with water to make H2, sodium borohydride or sodium aluminumborohydride will also react with water to produce hydrogen.
<p> So forget about electrolysis it takes too much time.
<p> By the way check out my extreme science webpage. It isn\'t finished yet but here is the address:
http://www.angelfire.com/weird2/chemistrymn

I\'m the master of crazy ideas.

But in this case it makes sense.

What is the major problem with trying to using lightening? There\'s no way to store the power for later use.

What is the major problem with hydrogen electrolisis? It takes a lot of power to do it.

These two problems are meant for each other.

Flash Electrolisis is engineering problem, not physics problem. And the payoff would be big.

On one of the radio based email lists I\'m on, there was a reference to a 1000 foot radio tower that had over 80 lightening strikes per year (they use strike counter meters on the large towers). They were trying everything to get the number of strikes down (grounding).

Let\'s go the other way. Don\'t ground it. place a small static trickle charge on it, and get the number of strikes up to the 200 range per year.

Once build, how much does a 1000 foot tower cost to operate ? I don\'t know but it\'s not that much.

And as you say, \"If you discharge a high energy current into water you will rapidly break the waters hydrogen bonds which are electrostatic bonds that bond H2O molecules together and hence account for H2O\'s cohesive properties\" into lots of hydrogen.

Sounds right to me.

[lysdexia]

STOP MISSPELLING LIGHTNING AND ELECTROLYSIS! and neutron.

Let\'s change the subject: How effective is homebrewingly centrifuging water to get light and heavy water?