A complete breakdown of intution.

[anrbquantum]

Hi.

Check this very nice and mind blowing video by M.I.T proffessor Walter Lewins.Its a part of MIT OCW program and this lecture video is taken from MIT course : Electricity and magnetism.

Hope this will be of great fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqjl-qRy71w

[ThE_bLoB_iNc]

very interesting stuff, kind of reminds me of some electrical engineering
stuff i was reading about.

where in digital circuits, when you are dealing with different assorted micro-controllers the improper placing of individual components in series or parallel to either the chip or the power supply or for that manner any other component can give arise to different types and forms of functionality
(or non-functionality)

although in the 2 part video the professor was using an solenoid to demonstrate his point, which need i not say would not vode very well in terms of controller chips, the principle is still the same.

i guess in the end its all math, but still his whole point on intuition is a matter that has boggled the minds of electrical engineers for years, and is a very important factor to consider when designing any device be it electronic, mechanical, hydraulic, optoelectronic, or what ever you will.

[anrbquantum]

although in the 2 part video the professor was using an solenoid to demonstrate his point, which need i not say would not vode very well in terms of controller chips, the principle is still the same.

You mean that there is no solenoids whatsoever in digital circuits similar to the one the proffesor used ? maybe thats true , but the point the proffesor is hunting is the in-adequancy in Kirchoffs circuitual laws when applied to certain cases as the one here.I think this empasises that we need to take electromagnetic phenomena and couple it with the primitive circitual laws (like,for example,the differential form of ohm's law J=qE, instead of the circitual ohms law V=IR) under some certain cases.

i guess in the end its all math

are you convinced that if we setup that experiment in lab it wont give us the same mathematical result? you know , iam curious to test taht myself(if i could).I will try to do it in my circuit lab equipment.

[ThE_bLoB_iNc]

chips use op-amps and what not to do that, not than im saying they cant make some sort of semi-conductor thingy to do the solenoid thing in a chip.
but in terms of powering an entire digital circuit off such an coil, would just fry the internal parts of the circuit with emi.

but as for your second point i very much agree, i think his point is valid though.

have you ever played around with an crystal set?

[anrbquantum]

Originally Posted by ThE_bLoB_iNc

chips use op-amps and what not to do that, not than im saying they cant make some sort of semi-conductor thingy to do the solenoid thing in a chip.
but in terms of powering an entire digital circuit off such an coil, would just fry the internal parts of the circuit with emi.

Yeah,ok,i understand your point.

but as for your second point i very much agree, i think his point is valid though.

have you ever played around with an crystal set?

I will try with all ive got to test it , because if the lab experiment verified that , then i think ,and to a certain extent , that circuit courses must be re-introduced to incorporate such cases.

Sorry , but what do you mean by a crystal set ? can you clarify that? sorry again for the confusion.

[ThE_bLoB_iNc]

i have this ever occurring idea to build a (for a lack of better words)
an multi-tronic circuit that utilizes aspects of mechanics (like in a mechanically based computer), electronics, optoelectronics, hydraulics,
pneumatics, etc, in an single device.

this device would openly and at high efficiency utilize any form of energy
to power any of its other components.

it sounds crazy but the idea is too power it with an form of energy and then use an series transducers type things that by command (logic) would convert it too another form of energy. all of the parts would by design be capable of this.

an example of this:)

lets say you want to power it with the good professors solenoid, right off the bat such an device would suck up the em-waves generated and start
converting that energy and divide it up equally between an assortment of
different types of energy. theses energy's would then be used to power
what ever type of component to do its task and then asynchronously reconvert the product for use in another.

this conversion works both ways, so you could pump in compressed air and the energy from that would be converted to once again many different types that could if you so desired could generate em-waves.

do you understand? tiz a crazy weird idea full of many flaws but even just the ideology is worth merit.

[ThE_bLoB_iNc]

a crystal set is an crystal radio

(aka an am radio that is powered off radio waves)

[ThE_bLoB_iNc]

now the main point im getting at is that, current schemes of electronic
design and theory are not capable of such things.

but with what the good professor is saying (at least what i got out of it)
is that we are just going about it the wrong way, aka think out side the box instead of the inside :)

[ThE_bLoB_iNc]

idk but i think that many of the current laws governing analogue based electronics need major overhauling, because most of the technology has been abandoned too digital schemes when they just need retrofitting so we can push for higher and higher levels of integration when it comes to such things.

[anrbquantum]

Well , i imagine that the mechanical computer idea is something ,maybe,say,old fashioned.I mean why using a mechanical device with all the power that a semiconductors gave us? whats the philosophy in this idea? i want to learn from you.

You know , i will really be obssesed if what you have said will be a reality some day , i mean ,thats a great achivement if we could use a device that can convert multiple types of energy into one another.A transducer can convert from one particular sort to another , but not from any sort to any other sort.This multiple energy conversion using a single physical device , that would be outstanding.

Let me ask you , if you are really serious-and i reeally encourage you to do all your best- , you must be standing on some hard solid proof-at least theoritically- of this idea.I will appreciate it if you could provide me of any.

[ThE_bLoB_iNc]

ok here it go's :) this will take quite some explanation.

now first of all do keep in mind that the technology already exists, and has
so since the dawn of the century.

once upon a time there was a man named Nicola Tesla, he invented alternating current, electric motors, radio, the all famed Tesla coil,
and most importantly his "peace-ray"

here is a link:
http://davidszondy.com/future/tesla/teslaray.htm


now this cathode ray beam is the center piece of my idea.


simply put it utilizes Bernoulli's principle by means of high pressure air
moving past aperture within to cause an low pressure area of air
within the cathode ray tube.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli%27s_principle

this effect makes it possible to have a "crt" that has one open end, so ions
(plasma) from the cathode can pass by while maintaining an "vacuum" within the tube.

now here is my adaptation of his invention:

(i need to get the card reader on my comp working
2 get it, i have a cad drawn pic) brb in a bit.

[ThE_bLoB_iNc]

mechanically based computers were the precursor technology that let to
the advent of the modern computer.

check out this wiki on the differential analyzer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_analyzer

they used many of the basic principles present in the
architecture of the electronic computer but the parts
were originally mechanically based :)

[ThE_bLoB_iNc]

ok here is my concept art for my adaptation of Tesla's
cathode ray beam.


although my pic need cropping this is the basic image.

[ThE_bLoB_iNc]

i had most of the info for this typed down here, but my comp decided to
die and go to the blue screen.

so when i finish retyping it, i will try to include previous patent information
and a thesis entitled "The Art of Projecting Concentrated Non-dispersive Energy through the Natural Media" authored by Nicola Tesla.

there are other such devices in use to day that utilize the cathode ray beam
such as the "electron beam welding apertures" which you can look up on google.

[ThE_bLoB_iNc]

THE NEW ART
OF
PROJECTING CONCENTRATED NON-DISPERSIVE ENERGY
THROUGH NATURAL MEDIA

System of Particle Acceleration for Use in National Defense


The advances described are the result of my research carried on for many years with the chief object of transmitting electrical energy to great distances. The first important practical realization of these efforts was the alternating current power system now in universal use. I then turned my attention to wireless transmission and was fortunate enough to achieve similar success in this fruitful field, my discoveries and inventions being employed throughout the world. In the course of this work, I mastered the technique of high potentials sufficiently for enabling me to construct and operate, in 1899, a wireless transmitter developing up to twenty million volts. Some time before I contemplated the possibility of transmitting such high tension currents over a narrow beam of radiant energy ionizing the air and rendering it, in measure, conductive. After preliminary laboratory experiments, I made tests on a large scale with the transmitter referred to and a beam of ultra-violet rays of great energy in an attempt to conduct the current to the high rarefied strata of the air and thus create an auroral such as might be utilized for illumination, especially of oceans at night. I found that there was some virtue in the principal but the results did not justify the hope of important practical applications although, some years later, several inventors claimed to have produced a "death ray" in this manner. While the published reports to this effect were entirely unfounded, I believe that with the new transmitter to be built, this and many other wonders will be achieved. Much time was devoted by me to the transmission of radiant energy, in various forms, by reflectors and I perfected means for increasing enormously the intensity of the effects, but was baffled in all my efforts to materially reduce dispersion and became fully convinced that this handicap could only be overcome by conveying the power through the medium of small particles projected, at prodigious velocity, from the transmitter. Electro-static repulsion was the only means to this end and apparatus of stupendous force would have to be developed, but granted that sufficient speed and energy could be realized with a single row of minute bodies, Then there would be no dispersion whatever, even at great distance. Since the cross section of the carriers might be reduced to almost microscopic dimensions, an immense concentration of energy, irrespective of distance, could be attained.

When I undertook to carry out this plan in practice, the difficulties seemed insurmountable. In the first place, a closed vacuum tube could not be employed as no window could withstand the force of the impact... ...The successful carrying out of the plan involves a number of more or less important improvements but the principal among these include the following:

1. A new form of high vacuum tube open to the atmosphere.

2. Provisions for imparting to a minute particle an extremely high charge.

3. A new terminal of relatively small dimensions and enormous potential.

4. An electro-static generator on a new principle and of very great power.

These devices and methods of operation will be explained by reference to the attached drawings in which Fig. 1 and

Fig. 2 represent forms of the new open tube.

In Fig. 1, the device consists of an inner cylindrical conduit 1, cemented to a metallic socket 3, and an outer conduit 2, which is tightly screwed to the socket by a nut 4, and has on the open side a taper with a cylindrical end 9, of the same inside diameter as conduit 1. The socket 3, is bored out to provide a large chamber around the inner conduit and carries a pipe 7, through which thoroughly desiccated air or other gas under suitable pressure is supplied. The open end of the inner and the tapering part of the outer conduit are ground to form an expanding nozzle 8, through which the air escapes into the atmosphere thereby creating a high vacuum in the inner conduit. The socket 3 has a small central hole and is provided with an inside extension 5, and a threaded outside projection 6, the latter serving for connection to a container supplying automatically suitable particles or material for same while the former fulfill the purpose of charging them as they emerge from the hole. The conduit 1 and 2, may be made of fused quartz, pyrex glass or other refractory material and it is obviously desirable that all the parts of the apparatus have small and nearly equal coefficients of thermal expansion especially when the working medium, which might also be superheated steam,
is at an elevated temperature.

It will be observed that in this tube I do away with the solid wall or window indispensable in all types heretofore employed, producing the high vacuum required and preventing the inrush of the air by a gaseous jet of high velocity. Evidently, to secure this result, the dynamic pressure of the jet must be at least equal to the external static pressure.

Expressed in symbols:

V2 w/2g=P

Assuming equality:

v=[2gP/w]1/2

in which equation V is the speed of the jet at its entrance to channel 8 in meters, g the acceleration of gravity likewise in meters, P the external pressure in kilograms per square meter and w the normal weight of the air in kilograms per cubic meter. Now,

g=9.81 meters
P=10332.9 kilograms
w=1.2929 kilograms

These values give

V=396 meters